LibertaGia questions and review, where does the money come from?

What is LibertaGia? I’ve been looking for honest reviews and I still haven’t been able to find much. Why is it becoming so popular in such a short amount of time? But even though as today it is close to the 1000 most visited website in the world (1), I still wonder about it. Most of the review websites I find are affiliates promoting LibertaGia. Here are some questions and possible answers that I hope someone can help me clarify.

UPDATE: This post was originally written on May 5, 2014 with an update on August 29, 2014. Things have happened since then. You can read my experience below or just go to My Final veredict at the end of the post.

 

I Joined, But… 

UPDATE: This post has some updates done on August 29, 2014 due to recent changes in the terms and usage of LibertaGia. You will find updates written within brackets and in bold. I’ll edit and rewrite this post again after getting additional information. First, you should know that I joined LibertaGia. I’m trying it out. If you also want to give it a try you can join for free in this venture by registering here www.libertagia.com/jgrosas, which is my affiliate link, but I remind you, I am trying it out; I don’t take any liability. I still don’t know if it works or not. If you join for free, you don’t have much to lose.

The First Things I Learned About LibertaGia

In case you don’t know, LibertaGia is a company that uses multilevel marketing model (MLM). They sell products and services and members can get money recruiting others, doing mindless tasks, and/or selling LibertaGia products/services. However, when I first heard about it, I was with a couple of other friends talking about businesses. One of them told us something like this, “work from home; get 60 USD a month for looking at 10 websites [It used to be 10 websites now it is 15 websites] 5 days a week. You look at each website for no longer than 90 seconds. You get 60 USD for 15 minutes a day and you don’t pay anything. And not just that, you get money by recruiting others.” Two of my friends seemed excited about it. We were shown that after registering, you start 10 daily tasks. Each task was looking at a webpage for 90 seconds. After 90 seconds a number had to be entered (the result of an easy equation such as 5 + 2) and done [Now you have to enter a  combination of eight numbers and letters]. Finished task. Nine more to go and your work for the day with LibertaGia was completed. I got intrigued. Who pays that much for visiting sites? I was curious and wanted to find the real thing behind the scheme and refocus my friends in real businesses. But I wouldn’t be able to do it without a little research. So after I left, I did some basic research. I visited several websites, including the official website where I downloaded the official presentation. I learned that there is a promised career and a lot of money on the plate. I’m always skeptical about these sort of things and how many companies always promise so much for little in exchange. But again, I was really curious by the fact that LibertaGia has been going up in traffic ranking so fast. In a couple of months it is now close to the 1000 most visited website in the world (1). This is something. If managed correctly, you can get a lot of money with this. You get the attention of thousands of visitors every day; this is a dream come true for advertisers and marketers.

How Many Members Does LibertaGia Have?

According to Rui Salvador, the founder and president of the company, they have reached the 1 million mark (2).

Where are the complaints?

But leaving aside the marketing opportunities for the owners of LibertaGia, I was wondering, why so many visits (1) and not so many complaints yet? Really, there are literally hundreds (it not thousands) of pages promoting LibertaGia and I haven’t been able to find former users or people who have actually tried and complained about something suspicious and/or irregular in LibertaGia. I saw maybe one or two complaints about LibertaGia’s customer service, which I also have not much positive to say about it (more on this below). So I decided to join. What could I lose? I didn’t like the fact that I was asked for my personal government ID though. I wondered, what would be the worst it could happen? Identity thief? Extortion? That type of thing. Is it fixable? I haven’t even given Facebook or Google my phone number, let alone my ID. Either way, I enrolled and started my first task.

Can People Really Make Money?

I visited 10 pages. I had to see each page for 90 seconds. I saw pages in Russian, Portuguese, English and Spanish. After completed the 10 website visits of the day, I got in my LibertaGia account 3 USD. I continued the next couple of days and so far I have earned 12 USD. However, withdrawing money from your account is limited. First you cannot withdraw less than 300 USD (it used to be 500 USD). Thus you have to wait until you get that amount before attempting to withdraw your earnings. By doing nothing else, but the daily tasks, it would take around six months to finally withdraw money. LibertaGia offers additional ways to accelerate this and increase the earnings at a faster pace. [According this video featuring Rui Salvador on August 5, 2014 (minute 10) there are different types of memberships. The free membership charges you 40 USD each month. This payment is deducted from your own LibertaGia earnings. It goes to something called captive balance and you can use this captive balance to purchase LibertaGia products only, but you cannot withdraw the money. For those who are on a higher paid membership then they don’t have membership fees; they have to “pay for the kits of products, which will entitle them to certain quantity of products from LibertaGia… this will also entitle people to earn from their teams.” ]

How do you get your money?

Now that you have your money, how do you actually get it? You can do it through a bank transfer or through LibertaGia own debit card named GiaCard [LibertaGia offers three different types of cards]. Both options may cause some discomfort. A bank transfer requires you to provide sensitive information about your bank account. Opting for a GiaCard [LibertaGia card] means purchasing a plastic card (30 USD for the card[The cost? 29.99 euros, 49.99 euros, or 59.99 euros depending of the card]) and hoping that you can actually use it in all major ATMs around the world. And you would also have to pay for withdrawing (3). The advantage for the last option is that you don’t need to provide any bank account information to get it. You need your full name, official ID (this is said to avoid multiple accounts) and 30 USD that you can pay with your own LibertaGia earned money. However, GiaCard is still not available. Supposedly it is going to be made by a serious and international company called Unicre (4). I would probably go for the last option. [And now you have to pay for your LibertaGia card with a bank deposit or with a credit card. In the comments below this video it is explained that you cannot use your money earned through LibertaGia to pay for the card because “the card is being issued by a bank”, which is an external company. The contract says that LibertaGia cards are issued by Prepaid Financial Services Limited (“regulated and authorised by the Financial Conduct Authority, UK. Registered Office: 36, Carnaby Street, London. Registered No. 900036 in FSA Register of e-Money Institutions”) which I emailed them to see if they issued such cards and someone named Maja Kotnik replied back saying that they do issue LibertaGia cards. The email provided the following contact info: “Office: +44 (0)207 125 0321. Fax: +44 (0)207 691 7462. 4th Floor, 36 Carnaby Street, London, W1F 7DR.”]

Has Someone Actually Withdrawn Money?

I wish I knew someone personally that is actually making and withdrawing money. My sponsor hasn’t got any money yet because she invited me three days before I joined. She only told me that her sponsor is making around 700 to 800 USD a month now. I cannot vouch for or corroborate that, but I’m only looking forward to the day when I will actually be able to withdraw money. [According to this video featuring Rui Salvador on August 26, 2014 on minute 6:29, many have requested withdraws, but few from June are left to be completed. I still haven’t seen anyone saying they’ve got payments and in the comments below on this post, there are a couple members who have requested their money with no luck. As far as I’m concerned, I’m still trying LibertaGia out and in its due time, I’ll request a withdraw and if it works great.] That’s when I will be able to tell the world that I can in fact get money through LibertaGia [or not in case I never get it]. But even that day I will still wonder how long this will last for the reasons below.

How Can LibertaGia Afford to Pay Everyone?

LibertaGia has won the attention of thousands of people. What’s next now? How can they pay? Advertisement, affiliation, products and services are the most obvious answers. But how does the math work here? I still don’t understand that, and this is where I feel there is a risk that LibertaGia may not last for a long time.

 

1. Advertisement

I’m assuming they will sell ads on their home page. So far they have Google Ads. They can also sell traffic packages trough Click Plus (a LibertaGia service). Any other type of advertisement? If you know, please let me know in the comments section below. First, selling ads on the 1000 most visited page of the world… how much could that be? Would that be enough revenue for LibertaGia to pay at least 3 USD a day to all LibertaGia Bronze members alone? (5) And keep in mind that according to the founder total members are now 1 million. Pay at least 3 USD to each of those 1 million members. Not just that, but LibertaGia Click Plus service is offering, for example, 50,000 website visits/views for 50 USD to those who want to buy traffic. Is that profitable? How is LibertaGia offering 50,000 views if LibertaGia members view only 10 [15] websites a day? That means they need about 5000 [3333] members to cover 50,000 unique views/visitors. Moreover, LibertaGia is paying 3 [2] cents per page visit (6). This means that 50,000 views through LibertaGia would cost 15,000 [10,000] USD (7). Am I right? This is what confuses me. If I did the math wrong, please someone explain it to me. And just as an aside comment, I wanted to try and purchase 50,000 views for one of my websites, but I got the following message: “Dear members, Buying ClickPlus packages is temporarily unavailable. LibertàGià Team.”  So, I couldn’t give it a try.

 

2. Affiliates.

Multilevel Marketing companies use affiliate fees as another good way to get money. LibertaGia is different in the way that offers you free membership. The free membership is the Bronze membership. However, your income and growth is limited. If you want to increase your income you are encouraged to upgrade to a paid membership. Paid memberships are silver and gold, which cost 899 USD and 1499 USD [1599 USD] a year respectively [And now LibertaGia also offers cheaper and more expensive plans too]. Those who upgrade paying such amounts of money obviously expect to earn a good profit from it. LibertaGia promises a good revenue to these people. But I wonder, how can these amounts of money actually multiply to give bronze members (free membership), silver and gold members, and LibertaGia itself some revenues? Obviously the money that comes in from paid membership is not enough. Someone has to sell products and services and distribute those profits among everyone. There is, however, another possibility of paying everyone else from the money LibertaGia gets from the new upgrades. People who decide to upgrade and earn money pay the silver or gold fee expecting to recover his/her investment in a passive way in about five or six months. This money that just came in from an upgrade is distributed among the rest of the members. So new upgrades bring money in. Like a loan, the first generation of members get the money from a second and larger generation of people who just upgraded, those from the second generation who just upgraded expect to bring new upgrades from an even larger third generation and so on. But what happens when upgrades stop coming in? What happens to those of the very bottom of the pyramid or ladder? There will be a time when recruiting becomes tougher. This happens to many MLM companies. They have a lifetime when they reach their climax and growth is slower. This is why joining multilevel marketing systems brings a lot of benefit when you are among the first to come. And right now, it seems that it is the best time to join LibertaGia if this works.

 

3. Products and services.

LibertaGia also offers some products and services. For example, it sells raffles through GiaGift and online storage called Cloud Box. I wonder if there is anything else. LibertaGia is also trying to bring all social media (Facebook, Twitter, Google +, Pinterest, etc.) into one place. And they want to make it big, this is an ambitious target. I don’t know if they will do it or not, but right now, at this moment. Are they making enough money from it? Or what else does LibertaGia offer? How much do these products are actually bought? Is this where most of the money comes in? I still wonder about who would pay 399 USD for 100GB of cloud storage, for example. I think it is expensive.

What about Their Customer Service?

I don’t have much of a customer service experience with them except for one attempt to contact them. I mentioned before that I tried to buy a Click Plus package, but it was not available so I sent an email asking when it would be ready. I sent the following email on May 15 at 2:35 pm Central Time:

Hello, I’m interested in buying some packages from ClickPlus, but the packages seem to be unavailable right now. Do you know a tentative time and/or date when is this going to be up again? today? this week? a month? Thanks,

Then I receive the following reply on May 16 at 4:14 am Central Time:

Bom Dia Jésus Rosas Agradecemos desde já o seu contacto. Informamos que nova aplicação ClickPlus estará disponível em breve. Melhores cumprimentos, Cristina Soares LibertàGia Interncaional

Yes, I got a fast reply, but well, they replied in Portuguese even though I asked my question in English. Do they answer everyone in Portuguese? And either way, they didn’t answer my question, they just told me that ClickPlus would be available soon. I sent another email on May 16 9:19 am Central Time asking if they spoke English. I haven’t got an answer yet. [UPDATE: They replied in English, same employee (Cristina Soares) on May 21, 2014 at 3:59 AM with the following: “Good Morning Jesus Rosas Thank´s for your contact. ClickPlus new application will be available soon. Best regards, Cristina Soares LibertàGia Interncaional.” Yes, in English this time, but still they didn’t answer my question.]

Online Conferences

I found, however, several websites with online conferences. These supposed to be from official representatives. If you do a quick search you will see schedules for future conferences in a couple of languages. Old conference videos can also be found in YouTube. These videos are conducted by different presenters and supposedly were recorded with a live audience. There aren’t many companies out there that provide these type of online conferences. Although this is a point to their favor, finding the actual conference and time is something you have to look actively. You will not hear about these things if you don’t look for it. It is worth mentioning that members who are logged in into LibertaGia have access to TV Liberta (found on the left menu), which has a list of a few videos from a couple of LibertaGia people, including Rui Salvador, the founder and president of this company. These videos can also be found in YouTube.

Is LibertaGia a Legal Company?

I wonder about these things. LibertaGia home page doesn’t have a phone number, postal address, contact page, email addresses, privacy settings, terms or use, and nothing official. I have only found two leader names.  A Portuguese man, Rui Salvador, who is the president and founder of LibertaGia and a 37-year-old Brazilian, Marco Sepe, Director of Marketing. So how reliable this is? Is it legit? Is LibertaGia a scam? Is LibertaGia a legal registered company? How trustworthy of a company LibertaGia is? The truth is I don’t know. People talk about how nice LibertaGia building is and that it is located next to Microsoft building in Lisbon, Portugal and that sort of things. Although a nice building doesn’t prove anything legal, it does bring a lot of trust being able to see something solid in a nice neighborhood. For me, what got me is the increased number of visitors flooding to LibertaGia and still no signs of illegal practices, scams or similar things.

A Genius, Naive, or Scammer Founder?

His Intentions

The founder, Rui Salvador, has created LibertaGia based on a multilevel marketing model. By recruiting, Rui Salvador, seems wanting to create a big network that not only work as a selling force of LibertaGia products, but also a network of buyers as well as an audience. With LibertaGia, he pays members to see websites; those who work seeing websites may become customers of the websites they see. Marketers will see this and buy from LibertaGia. He will make money selling audiences. This is the idea behind Click Plus, which is part of LibertaGia. He gets an eager audience ready to see anything you put in front of their eyes for 90 seconds.

 

Building a Team and Buying Time with No Money

In order to withdraw money, Rui Salvador offers GiaCard [LibertaGia cards], a new debit card. If LibertaGia continues increasing its membership numbers, as it has been doing it, GiaCard [LibertaGia cards]could become a popular debit card[s] competing with other bank cards and payment systems such as PayPal, Western Union, etc. And just as every bank encourage you to not withdraw money, but use your credit card so they can invest the money they have in other ventures, LibertaGia also has a policy that protects itself from massive and immediate withdrawals. Keeping the members’ earned money, and even encouraging the spending of it in LibertaGia products, seems the most logical way to succeed. This may explain why members currently cannot withdraw money below 300 USD. In a sense LibertaGia seems to be building a team with no cash, but credit. Nobody gets cash immediately with those tasks, you get the money in your account, but you cannot withdraw it immediately. LibertaGia is buying time.  And this may also explain why the lack of or small number of complaints online since most of LibertaGia members cannot withdraw money yet. And those have actually withdrawn money remain a silent small minority that I haven’t been able to find online. Those members who joined for free and only earn 60 USD a month won’t be able to withdraw until six months have passed from the date they joined. But what happens when you are exposed to a company for such a long time? If things work properly, you probably would start believing in it or trusting it, upgrading instead of withdrawing would make more sense since you can multiply your earnings. New members would see that they can make a lot more money and they will recommend and recruit more while LibertaGia is growing without disbursing any money.

A Smart and Ambitious Plan

The scheme sounds brilliant if managed properly. Think of it. If all this really works, Rui Salvador, and if true, he has already built a force of a million members in less than a year and most of them with the potential of recruiting more. His plan of creating an online hub of social media can work. He would also have created a new debit card (and a credit card in the future would seem logical) that competes against other banks and online payment systems. His company could receive impressive revenues and expand in some related industries and even make important changes in the way people earn money and use the Internet. It sounds ambitious right? Very ambitious. If it works he would have proved that he is really smart. The system as it is now is appealing. The proof? Well, it is bringing so much people in. And even if they are not joining the discussion is up. How long for LibertaGia to become one of the top 100 most visited websites in the world? All this if LibertaGia truly works.

A Difficult and Overwhelming Enterprise

But Rui Salvador could also be a naive founder. His ambitions are too big to become a reality. What else is out there that he and his team are not aware of? What about the competition? What would they do? What other obstacles hasn’t Rui Salvador think of? Is he prepared to manage it all?  The system may look great, but with such growth, a minimum mismanagement could bring things down. There are deficiencies right now, one example, websites to be visited and seen for 90 seconds are not geotargeted, which means that someone in China may get a website from Portugal; someone in Mexico may get a website from Russia, and so on. Some are already complaining about customer service. Moreover, most of the information people find online comes from members and not so much from the official website. Additional risks could be that upgrading and product sales may not come in the expected numbers. The audience may be too hard for a “call to action” (buying, subscribing, clicking links, etc.), and more. To summarize, there is a risk that LibertaGia is just too much for Rui Salvador and his team to handle.

Defining Scam

Is it a scam? Scam means “a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation”(8).  With this I understand that people have to be deceived. LibertaGia doesn’t explain many details, but it does tells you the basics of how it works. And one of these basics that brings a lot of people in to LibertaGia is that they can earn money by doing simple tasks. How much? At least 60 USD per month doing easy tasks. The scam would exist if the people behind LibertaGia actually didn’t pay you when they suppose to (get 300 USD first and then try to withdraw it to find out). It would also be a scam if they ran away with your money, data, etc., and disappeared. If your balance changed unexpectedly and without justification, if your name and other personal information were used outside of the intended purpose then I would call it a scam. So far I have not found signs of any of these things at this point. So far I have not seen any forum or blog talking about irregular practices. So is Rui Salvador a genius, a naive or a scammer? Based on LibertaGia current data and numbers, its management, current growth, public information available out there, and other members’ experiences with LibertaGia, it is too early to say.

Conclusion

LibertaGia is new. New companies can make many mistakes and have equal number of shortcomings at first. It still lacks of detailed and consistent official information. Besides, a lot of what I find comes out in Portuguese. Some products are not available yet, such as GiaCard and ClickPlus. Withdrawing money immediately is not an option. The online storage service seems expensive compared to other options. That sort of thing. In conclusion, in my opinion, I don’t think LibertaGia is a scam. I see it as a beta program still trying to organize itself. I cannot recommend LibertaGia without some warnings. First, I still wonder how successful will they be to bring the money in. They may succeed, they may fail. I hope they succeed. I’m intrigued by the fact that LibertaGia is growing so fast and among thousands of users I still haven’t found former LibertaGia members talking about frauds, scams or similar things. I’m giving it a try.  If you are interested in joining and try it yourself, I can invite you to enroll using my affiliate link: www.libertagia.com/jgrosas If you have questions, if you have answers to some of mine, and/or if you found some misinformation, please write them below. And even if you have something to say about LibertaGia, please share it below.

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UPDATE: A final veredict

This is a final veredict I give to LibertaGia. I’ll assume you read the entire post, so you know what I’m talking about.

Since the very beginning I joined, I have seen LibertaGia making changes in how things work. Besides the changes I mentioned in this post, they have again changed the number of tasks from 15 to 20 (originally they were 10). They changed their card provider from Unicre to Prepaid Financial Services Limited, and now to ASAP World (9), which is a company just founded in 2010. ASAP World website looks like a blog template. It is not a banking institution, but a “Business Oriented Social Network” (10). LibertaGia has changed the money you can withdraw, how much you have to earn, and now you have to purchase a kit annually to keep your membership (11). Payments to buy memberships don’t accept credit cards or paypal, but bank deposits, bitcoin, and PagSeguro (for Brazilians only).

During this time, I’ve been trying to do my tasks, but their slow platform kept me constantly waiting to load a task page and refreshing meant wait again to finish that task. I found several times the server down and unable to do my tasks. I was also logged off very fast and when that happened while doing my tasks, I had to start doing them again.

I also had given them my documents as a proof of address and they seem to have lost them because I’ve been asked again to provide them. LibertaGia is constantly sending announcements to notify members of new changes or to apologize for technical issues and delays, including delays transferring money.

Some people have commented that they have been able to withdraw money. They are of course, those who paid for their cards. You can see examples in the comments below (if you can’t see the comments reload the page). Assuming withdrawing money went smoothly, is it still worth the time you spend in LibertaGia? In some cases, members have to consider electricity and Internet data (depending on plans) usage and/or renting computers (cybercafe fees, etc.).

Based on these issues in general, I have decided to stop using LibertaGia. I’m not closing my account. I’ll leave it there, I invested some time and “earned” some money that I’m not sure if one day I’ll be able to withdraw it.

If LibertaGia ends up working out all these current issues, I see it as another multilevel company that will be staying for a while. But in the way things are right now, I don’t see a real growth in terms of producing large amounts of capital or products. Those who come first and a few more will be making good money while the large majority of their members will be coming and then leaving or being inactive. Important changes would have to be done to change that. Right now, many LibertaGia members (based on emails I receive and some comments below) come with the idea of just making money by opening web pages when, in fact, the real bulk of money involves investing in purchasing kits and packages and referring others and making them buy. But that’s just my opinion based on what I have seen so far.

 

A Final Comment about Making Money Online and Working from Home

People have been asking me about different ways of earning money online and passive income. I’m now preparing an introduction to making money online and working from home so I can answer that and give you some ideas and warnings. This will be a compilation aimed to those who don’t know much about it. If you are interested and want to know whenever it is ready, you can enter your name and email address in the small form below. Once you do that, you will receive an email from me asking you to click on a confirmation link. Once confirmed, I will send everyone in that list a message letting you know about the release of this introduction to making money online and working from home. Again, this is only for beginners.



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Notes:

1. LibertaGia had the 1,043 global rank according to Alexa on May 17, 2014.
2. Rui Salvador talks in this video http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,libertagia-hispano that at that time they reached 1 million of members. He is presenting in Portuguese you can set captions on to see English.
3. Rui Salvador talks in this video about payments for withdrawing money (I cannot double check its autheticity since it is only a YouTube video posting by someone else). He mentions how much that costs depending on your subscription membership. Rui Salvador also mentions that the payment to withdraw is valid for a month. This means that you can withdraw unlimited number of times within 30 days http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpmyDvk9D5U
4. The announcement of Unicre is found in this video (in Spanish), but nothing written or from an official website yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKDFJA_Bcf4&feature=youtu.be I also looked for Unicre domain and it has been online for almost 19 years. Unicre website claims its beginning since 1974 and among its investors are about a dozen of major banks, including Santander.
5. A Bronze member is a member that joins LibertaGia for free. Bronze members get 3 USD for visiting 10 websites in a single day. Silver and Gold members can earn more, at least something around 12 USD and 20 USD a day respectively for similar tasks.
6. If you get 3 USD per 15 visits then you get 3/15=0.2 LibertaGia pays .2 USD per each page view.
7. 0.2 USD (per visit) x 50,000 (number of views) = 10,000 USD for 50,000 visits.
8. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scam accessed on May 17, 2014
9. LibertaGia’s announcement titled “Alert of 21/02/2015 – Backoffice, Payment Gateway and ASAP” posted on February 21, 2015. The announcement talks about Livio Papiano from ASAP World visiting LibertaGia. Announcement is found within LibertaGia backoffice under alerts/support option.
10. What is ASAP Online PSN Ltd? https://money.asapmarkets.com/index/faq
11. Libertagia’s announcement titled: “KIT RENOVATION – OFFICIAL STATEMENT LIBERTAGIA MONDIAL” posted on May 26, 2015. Announcement is found within LibertaGia backoffice under alerts/support option.
12. Disclosure of Material Connection: Although some of the links in the post above may be from Google Ads (I do not choose what ads are shown there and I do not take any responsibility from them), other links may be “affiliate links.” This means if you click on the link and purchase the item, I will receive an affiliate commission. Regardless, I only recommend products or services I use personally and believe will add value to my readers.